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:happy: Thank you so much Sawwie-chan! I wanted to get a copy of Ruff Love, but it was already sold out when I ordered. I know my friend has a copy from Borders, but I wanted one too.
You know, Deux has some good titles. If they were to sell some of them at Borders, they could make a lot of money, and keep on printing. :twinkle:
Maybe, if they get enough money, they could take on Viewfinder! :lovelove:
j/k j/k We know that'll never happen...:sigh:
Viewfinder is going to be a very expensive license especially since Ayano Yamane is very popular at the moment. Deux Press barely made it through their financial funk.
I am still looking forward to Cigarette Kisses. Too bad that they didn't beat NetComics to another Est Em title. I never heard of Est Em until Deux Press acquired Seduce Me After the Show and Red Blinds the Foolish which I enjoyed both very much. The artwork is not like the rest and is an acquired taste. The artwork wasn't bothersome to me because I enjoyed the plots in both mangas very much. Est Em was also a former student of Matt Thorn, who assisted in the English translation of both mangas.
I had bought Kano's mangas (Deux) from Amazon long before finding this thread, which were not on sale, and the price was almost the same, considering the publishing house charges additionally 8% for international shipping (EU). The books arrived in a brand new condition.
Ruby_Alexandrine, I wish someone could get the copyrights to re-publish "Viewfinder"! Right now VF volumes are sold at Amazon nearly $100 (in some cases more) each. :crazy:
Edit: I just noticed their $5 list includes "Lovers and Souls", but the same title on the "Complete Library" page is priced $12.95 !?! Is this list updated? "Lovers and Souls" is amazing, in my opinion, and the one that made me fall in love with Kano's writing.
When it comes to the $5.00 special, buyers must place their orders via e-mail, and Elisa will attach an Excel file which is an order form that has the $5.00 prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiuFeiLong
As for Viewfinder, it will be re-licensed, its only a matter of time and who will have the big money to pay for the license.
Yes, I read about that. I am just curious why this manga is listed both under their regular and their sale lists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruby_Alexandrine
How do you know? :lol: Well, it doesn't really matter as long as it is done.Quote:
As for Viewfinder, it will be re-licensed, its only a matter of time and who will have the big money to pay for the license.
If and when VF is re-published, I swear I am going to buy 2 or 3 copies of each volume! I am not risking again having my copies gone missing and the publisher closing down the shop.
Then ask Deux Press about it, they should give reason. Usually when a person buys more than one copy of a manga, they want to keep one and sell the rest at Ebay.:lol: Rumors has it that Kitty Media is gunning for Viewfinder yet I am sure 801 Media is not too far away in trying to get the license as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiuFeiLong
Naah! It's one of my habits, when I like something I buy it in bulks (same goes for clothes). Considering my VF copies were lost during move outs and vacations, and now they cost a fortune each, I've promised myself next time to buy double/triple copies.
Thanks for the info about VF rumours, and yes, I will probably ask "Deux" about the different prices -- although I have already got these.
I see your reason now and you are welcome. I hope you have money reserved to purchase the same titles more than once.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiuFeiLong
I think the "Complete Library" is their official company list which is listing the RRP for the titles. This is the price of each volume of the manga as is printed on the back. This page was there for PR etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiuFeiLong
The $5 is on the direct to publishers order page. This is the price you pay for ordering directly from them. This page was set up for the sale.
I hope this makes sense.
Thank you both.
I did it for Kano's "Lovers and Souls" and I'm going to repeat it for VF once it's re-published. Scanlations are okay to see what happens next, but honestly you can't compare them to the original manga/book. :)Quote:
I see your reason now and you are welcome. I hope you have money reserved to purchase the same titles more than once.
Indeed but not many people see it that way. Those people want free $#!+ and not support the mangaka.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiuFeiLong
By the way, I enjoyed reading Lovers and Souls.
I don't want to go off-topic here, but I think sometimes it depends on their age, whether they can afford buying them and mostly, on the attitude. Sometimes people lack in the "attitude" department though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruby_Alexandrine
I loved it, and was very happy to see Deux getting it licensed for the English-speaking part of the world. I don't know how well it has sold so far, but I truly hope they will publish the rest of her "Rules Universe". Kano's realism touches me deeply. If she wasn't a manga-ka she could be a great writer, in my opinion.Quote:
By the way, I enjoyed reading Lovers and Souls.
Not to go off topic either but I have encountered a few that stated that they don't purchase the mangas simply because they prefer free scanlations. That doesn't sit well with me. *end mini-rant here*Quote:
Originally Posted by LiuFeiLong
Anyhow, I am not sure if Lovers and Souls sold well. Kano Miyamoto is not immensely popular compared to Minase Masara (kind of scratching my head as to why more of her work is not being acquired by the more stable June Manga - they sure need a lot of pizzazz!), Nitta Youka, and Ayano Yamane. Dramaqueen was supposed to published Not Love but we all know about DQ.
I enjoyed several Deux Press titles but I am not sure if they are going to acquire more titles in the future especially they survived this financial funk. They are publishing the titles that they acquired last year.
I was just wondering if anyone else here had struck problems in getting books from Aurora?
My friend ordered five books from them (one a double copy for me) and only received four. She's emailed them twice since without any response so far. She doesn't really have anyway to prove it unfortunately, the parcel was marked five books and she usually takes photos of parcels when she gets them to send me (I don't know why but she does) but this time she didn't. When she opened it there was only four books in it not the five it was labelled as having.
Was the book a pre-order? If it was a pre-order, then Aurora will ship the book when its in stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alouzon
No it wasn't. She did have a pre-order in there and they shipped when it came out but the one missing is a double of one she did get in the order. She bought it for me for my birthday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruby_Alexandrine
If it wasn't a pre-order, its probably out of stock. If it is out of stock, then your friend should receive a refund for that book. Your friend should be more persistent but it makes matters more difficult if she cannot prove it. What method of payment did she used? Paypal? Money order? Personal check? Did she keep a copy of the order?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alouzon
Yes she has a copy of the order and she's even kept them shrink wrapped. The book missing is Take me to Heaven. She has one copy but not the second copy she was going to give me. She was going to give me the copy she got but I told her to keep it. She used Paypal to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruby_Alexandrine
There's been no refund and still no answer to her email.
Elisa has not been the most punctual person when replying to emails, probably because of the large amount of orders she's been getting. So if your friend is expecting an email reply within a few days, its probably not likely ^^;Quote:
Originally Posted by Alouzon
A Deux newsletter was sent out yesterday, so hopefully she will have replied to your friend by now. Its not realistic to expect a refund without a reply since the book is still in stock. The most likely scenario is that they will resend the missing book.
Best of luck on getting your book ;)
Also, was the package your friend received well packed, perhaps one of the books fell out? Just suggesting since the packaging for my order was a bit ripped by the time it arrived (the books inside were fine though).
Oh dear. I also ordered "Take Me to Heaven" I do hope the reason Alouzon's friend is not getting it is a simple order mistake & they will refund the cost of the book - not because the book has sold out. I placed order on 10 books 0n 6/9. I really thought they got the order process more efficient this time even though the Excel spreadsheet would not open when I send it back to them. E-mail them the book list, take them 2 days to reply if it can be processed, send them the money & now I am waiting up to 2 weeks for my order to show up through media mail. I do hope they will license & publish "Mister Mistress 3" and the sequel to "Two of Hearts" - "Amayakana Toge"
I really like 801 Media but honestly speaking, I think the View Finder series might be better managed in the hands of Kitty Media. I am very impressed at the way "Crimson Spells" is handled - the 2nd vol is up to 3rd publication already (more for the 1st) & can be easily & fairly gotten from most retailers. So you don't have the high price exploitation at Ebay or Half.com currently happening w/ any good, out of print yaoi books.
Elisa seems really busy with the sale, but you can trust Deux. They had misplaced one of my books in an order (I was missing one and was accidentally given another). I emailed her about it, and she got back to me. I sent her the book back and got my original book, as well as a refund for the shipping. I also kept changing my order around too. ^^; But they were really nice about it.
What is this "financial funk" that you guys are talking about? It seems like there's a lot of BL manga companies that are going bankrupt lately. That's only my opinion though - I've never really payed attention before.
As for my post before, saying the Deux would probably get more money if they sold their manga at Borders - I actually saw a couple of their titles there the other day. I laughed, because it was the books I had ordered from the website!
(And yes! People should support the mangaka and anime directors, etc! I scold my friends all the time and encourage as much people as I can to buy instead of download.)
*is still pondering whether or not to buy second volumes from Deux* ^^;
If I forgot to add the following details, please add any more to my explanation. :)
The financial funk that several of these BL imprints have been going is due to the economic situation in the States as well as suffering poor sales, etc.
-Broccoli Books USA, American subsidary of Broccoli Books Japan and parent company of BL imprint, Boysenberry, went defunct because they could not compete in the tough and highly competitive anime and manga industry which is currently dominated by Viz Media, Del Rey Manga, and TokyoPop.
-CPM, parent company of Be Beautiful, were in financial trouble around 2007 when Libre accused them of publishing their titles illegally. It was one of the main reasons why CPM declared bankruptcy. Diamond dropped many of CPM titles as well.
-Dramaqueen is still on indefinite hiatus but its no secret that they are in financial trouble as well. Since 2007, they have been looking for financial support from a backer. Regardless of DQ announcing release dates, I still assume that they do not have enough funds for printing expenses, distribution, and employees.
-Deux Press, its parent company Aurora and its other imprint LuvLuv, barely survived because they had the sale where they sold their mangas below cover price. I hope they do not end up losing more money for doing that because if they get into another dire financial situation, then they won't survive it.
-Blu Manga is still around even though I noticed that their BL acquisitions has decreased.
-June Manga & 801 Media (both BL imprints of DMP), and Kitty Media show more financial stability so far.
-Yaoi Generation is still new yet hardly anyone is talking about their recent publications and acquisitions.
Sales quotas do matter. Poor sales + no more acquisitions = no company or imprint. If fans want to read more English-translated yaoi mangas in the future, support the BL publishers and mangakas as much as we can.
I second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruby_Alexandrine
People who are just satisfied by reading online scanlations but never bother to buy the original copies should pause for a moment and think: how would *they* feel if no one was buying their work? It sounds nasty, doesn't it?
Also they should remind themselves that scanlation and fansub groups' purpose is to introduce and promote mangas, animes and their respective creators to the English speaking world till a company makes those titles officially available.
Well said! I definitely feel people should support their mangaka & the publishing companies that license them here by buying the product - especially if you live in a country where such books are available legally. If your budget is an issue - I would recommend you consider persuading your library to stock up on some of these titles. I have seen selections of 18+ M shojo mangas (i.e. Kaikan Phrase) at my local library. I am sure the head librarian wouldn't mind ordering at least some of the more Shounen Ai titles like "Rin".
However, I believe some of these stronger companies such as DMP are supported by their parent companies in Japan though - so they have more diversified operations to support the biz of BL mangas. I am shocked that DQ did not make it - they really have some of the best BL titles & is evidenced by their being sold out so quickly. In their case, I wonder if it is just the latter decision of not so popular titles and poor planning / forecasting decisions?
By the way, I got my 2nd order in 7 biz days this time. Part of my order is "Read Blinds the Foolish" - my 1st OEL yaoi by Est Em. I must say I am pleasantly surprised by how good it is. The stories are more real & "haunting"? I noticed that most of the OEL BL out there are actually published by Deux Press & they are all at least 30% off at www.everythingyaoi.com. I think I am going to make another shopping list soon :hearteyes:
Red Blinds the Foolish is not an OEL/GloBL manga. Est Em is a mangaka from Japan. She and many other yaoi mangakas use pen names instead of their real names. Also Deux Press does not publish OEL/GloBL, only yaoi mangas from Japan. Its Yaoi Press that publishes OEL/GloBL and they own the Everything Yaoi store.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2old4yaoi
Hi Ruby - Thanks for the explanation. I didn't even realize that Est Em is from Japan. When she mentioned in the afterwords that she was pleasantly surprised her work would be running in a Japanese BL mag, I assume that it is out of ordinary. The fact that everything yaoi is owned by Deux Press explains why they carry so all of the Deux Press/OEL titles.
You are welcome! :) Once again, Everything Yaoi store is owned by Yaoi Press not Deux Press. Deux Press does not own an online store. Also, its very competitive for illustrators to have their work published in a magazine and then tankoubon in Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2old4yaoi
I just received my 3 Deux Books that I ordered three weeks back. :)
Loved the translations!!
I wonder when will they published the rest ie Noodle Shop v2, Kirepapa v2, Cigarette Kisses..
The last I heard, Cigarette Kisses was slated for release next month yet at the Deux Press' website, its now TBA. It all depends if they have enough revenue to publish the rest of the titles for the remainder of the year.
Update.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alouzon
My friend has received a reply to her emails and the missing book is being shipped to her now. She should have it in a couple of weeks.
I 1st read "Take Me to Heaven" in scanlation & found it OK. But I was very nicely surprised when I read it in hard print - the translation was actually so much better that it really makes a difference. For some reason, I also remembered it as a shounen-ai & was pleasantly surprised that it has a short yaoi element at the end. I want to root for Duex Press to prosper to publish Mr. Mistress 3 & "My Lovely Secretary" they have apparently licensed.
Goodness, haven't posted here in awhile. O_O
Anyways, like most of you I have also been keeping with the financial situation of Deux Press, I reviewed their manga at my blog The Yaoi Review, but haven't been able to because several months back Elisa had sent an email to the reviewers of Deux Press books indicating that we could still review them, but due to financial troubles we would have to pay for the shipping. When I start working again I plan on reviewing more of their titles and I would happy to pay for the shipping. :)
I think it's great that had the sale, because we all know that manga aint cheap. T_T
Its great that Deux Press had the sale and continues to sell some of the mangas at $5.00 yet I am concerned that it will be detrimental. Hopefully they will have enough money to pay for their employees, licenses (or future licenses), and printing expenses. The release dates for the other titles still have the TBA status. They have published one to three titles a month and their last publication was in May which were Kirepapa vol. 1, Noodle Shop Affair, and Part-Time Pets. They didn't publish anything in June and July is coming and going. I hope the sales will generate enough revenue for them to publish the rest of titles.
I hope so too, I think Deux Press is one of the best yaoi publishers we have. I think it may have helped when they started selling their manga at NetComics, but I guess we can only wait and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruby_Alexandrine
I looked at the Boys Next Door blog and its concerns about Deux Press. I simply hope what they say is just rumor and NOT true:
Boys Next Door Blog Blog Archive Deux! You can’t die on us!
I really want to buy a few of the manga they were planning to release in the next 2 months. I really hope they aren't going out of business :(. I thought the sale was going well.
What a scary speculation! I really like them because the quality of their translation is really excellent. I do hope they pull through. A lot of their titles are really excellent. I am surprised not more of their yaoi titles are sold out already i.e. Future Lovers 1 & 2. It is more of a funny romance stories between 2 men. I can even look at my husband in the eyes & explain why I liked it when he found it the other day :oops: I do think they do have to weed out the titles though among the 3 genres they are currently publishing to focus on cash cows series only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruby_Alexandrine
The problem is that Deux Press' titles, as much as I enjoy several titles, are not cash cows at all. I appreciate the eclectic titles yet the titles are not bestsellers. The same can be said for Aurora and LuvLuv Press' titles as well. I appreciate that Aurora creating a josei line yet they acquired mangas that do not capture my interest. I have seen better josei mangas than the ones published by LuvLuv. The imprint is perfect for acquiring the works of Milk Morizono, Kazuko Teradate, and several others. Yet LuvLuv's future isn't looking to bright and unfortunately it may be the first one to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2old4yaoi
Did anyone outside of the US ordered from Aurora? How long did it take before you received your stuff?
I'm ordering from Canada but it's almost been 3 weeks since I paid for the books. Does anyone know if this is considered normal from Aurora? I checked the USPS website and the estimated shipping time is 6-10 days...