Dutch Yaoi Fans

Some of you might have noticed I've been spamming this around a bit XD. I've started a twitter account. So those who want to follow (or have it themselves and like to get in touch) Here is the link: >>MCDDenton<<

And on another note, judging from the wave of responses after mine, I kinda killed the discussion with that last post I'm sorry oO

You didn't kill it, you just posted such a good response that I'm still thinking of a good comeback *I don't know if there ever will be a come back since I'm not good at discussions so I normally ask other people to think up something for me* But I'll give it a try to post something.

There are some animals who use it as social bonding *monkeys* but several animals like tigers and such it's just sex and then they are gone. I think it's just has something to do with if daddy stays around to care for the kids. In humans with some exceptions they generaly do.

And for the two pairs of breast thing. I think it can be true for some guys just as it is true for some girls. Why watch one handsome guy in a sexscene when you can have two. I think you can discuss why girls *or boys* like yaoi *or guys who like yuri* for 100 years just because everyone has a different reason why they like it. In our Frisian group we like different things and like it because for different reasons.

A friend of mine who borrowed us Queer as folk, wanted to show it to another friend who was openminded but not a yaoi fan. She didn't dare to watch it. And then he said it must be because she doesn't like Sex and the ciy and that only people who like sex and the city like queer as folk. *I hate Sex and the city* He still can't understand why girls like yaoi. So we are kind of his study objects:P *Hm, this post is becoming vague and far to long so I'll stop now*

:P not at all ^_^ I can still follow you. It has more to do with the format then with the actual act displayed. So ppl who like yaoi don't necessarily like QaF and vise versa. And people who like gay guys going at it don't have to like yaoi.

And I do have to admit I find it kinda awkward that girls like yaoi. Oo I mean I first thought I ended up on a guy forum and then discovered it were all girls Oo (or mostly) I never realized it was so female dominated.

And tell your friend that if he figures it out to call me. I'd really like to know XD

Shoot I forgot the whole 'why do women like yaoi' discussion and I see now that even animals have been dragged into it XD
I don't want to drag old cows from the ditch (sorry I just had to say that) but I would like to add something to the discussion after all.
Here is a very long story I feel like sharing:

With 'equal' I mean that I don't have to proof myself when looking at gay sex. They don't care if I weigh a thousand pounds or have pimples or whatever to find me attractive enough: the whole thing just doesn't excist.
It is VERY hard to explain but gay relationships makes me feel open hearted, free and yes, there we have that word again: equal.
And I hate the stereo typed male: beer, soccer and 'sex on demand'.
It could be because of what my personal experiences made me be who I am (aren't we all?) but I just find the opposite of that stereotype, men kissing and showing affection to each other a relief and an eye opener for this, at times, gloomy world.

That doesn't mean I stalk every gay guy, my brother is one and my nephew is even married to his boyfriend so I am used to it.
But from an early age the affection of men towards one another stood in contrast to how most guys represented them towards me.

This is really a personal reflection and it doesn't have to be so for other girls/women.
And this shows how different men and women really are.
When a hetero guy watches lesbian porn with friends and someone would walk in everybody would say:'that's how men are'. When women would do that it's a whole different story and no-one would think :'That's just how girls are.' and go along their business. I bet we have some explaining to do for sure!

One time we visited a relative and he showed my husband porn: on plain daylight casually with a cup of coffee and with me standing next to him.
I asked my relative why.
Immediately he went like: are you shocked by a bit of porn?
I said that I wasn't shocked of the porn but because of the fact that THAT kind of porn is meant to arouse a person and the whole setting was just wrong because we didn't went to visit him to get aroused.
He said I was afraid of sex and turned it off and that really hurt me because that's not the case (ask my hubby hehe).
If it would be the other way around, me showing some gay porn to his girlfriend in front of him I know he would have gone beserk and would have felt righteous about it.
Nuff said

(Maybe I'm just a bit of a feminist?)

@Estroyer: That relative of yours is quite a rude person and I'm glad not all men are like that. But then again maybe you should take revenge with showing his girlfriend yaoi! I really dislike his attitude and his actions. I wonder if all the yaoi fangirls are a little bit of a feminist inside? Because I dislike most of the stereotypical guys as well.

By the way this might be one of the last posts I make her for a long while. On Monday I'm going to Erfurt, Germany where I will be on an internship for 5 months. I don't know if I have internet in my appartment and I won't visit this site from my office space *I don't know how open minded they are but Yaoi might be a bridge to far*. So I onlywill be able to post from internet cafe's. So take care guys

there are a lot of general and stereotypical things in our daily consumption of cultural good. The idea that women are fearful of sex and dislike porn because they are women is one of those things. And just showing porn during a party (or with other people there who are there for a different reason) is very rude. (rule of thumb, when visiting people or having dinner parties etc. avoid the following subjects: politics, religion, money and sex. You don't know there the person stands and it can turn very awkward)

And you see a lot of general ideas confirmed in what we see, read, write, experience. And a lot of women (and man) maintain those images, simply because they have come to believe them and because they have become the norm (as a feminist you have to work and you have to be against housewives, which is bull, but that is the image there is, not just amongst people who are not feminists, also amongst the feminists themselves)

And every group strengthens their bonds by confirming and drawing more sharply the parameter that are used to define their group. The watching of porn together is considered amongst certain man a very male thing to do and would help bonding. Basically one logical explanation would be that that guy was trying to bond with your husband and you got in the way and he attempted to save his 'male thing' by blaming you for not understanding (because you are 'a woman'. Though I have to agree that on certain points the female sex has a lot more class... unless they are looking at a male strippers ass :S) And I wouldn't think to much off it. I don't know him, haven't seen him, or spoken to him, but as far as I can deduct the guy is pretty narcissistic and simply defines you as the 'weaker' sex so emphasis his 'dominance' and 'maleness'

And the equal part... well yeah I would like to discuss that with you (all of you) but unfortunately I don't think that will work well via the forum , because I can get very technical with that ;P so maybe during the next meeting ^_^

Mac.

*Makes note of that* Woo I crave for discussions, so bring it on!
Another good reason to come to the meeting (like I already didn't have one).

Maskelle: good look on your intern ship and I hope you will be able to get your dose of yaoi on a daily base!
Just stuff some nice manga's between your clothing in your suitcase for emergency cases LOL

I'm glad you guys picked up what I meant by telling him it was out of place!And indeed he has a bit more of an old fashioned insight in the man-woman thingy.
Shows again that my sweet hubby is a winning lottery ticket ^^
He's so open, not narrow minded at all!

Last weekend he came home and told me that some youngsters had yelled at him: 'homo'.
I told him that it was a compliment in my eyes because that means that he is indeed not one of those beer-bellied, hey-woman-fetch-me-my-dinner and iron-me-my-shirts kind of guy ^^
When I asked him if he was insulted he said he wasn't because he doesn't believe that achieving the stereotyped male image is a good thing to have, especially when you see your wife as your best friend and want to treat her equally because she is so very awesome...
Whenever we are at birthday parties and someone starts to talk about computers to my husband he always says:"Don't look at me, I only know how to shut the damn thing on and off! Here, talk to her cause she won't stop talking about computers I promise you that!"
That look on their faces Oo
Guess he is a feminist also...(can a man be that technically?)

Gonna give him a big hug now ^^
Good night ya'll!

Woa, nice conversation's going on here!
I will join in on the next meeting ^^ *hehe*

I am totally with you on that Kreatio !!!

So...when will the next meeting be.... I wanna join this discussion without having to be online... by which I mean, I wanna talk to you people face to face...
*gets a dreamy expression* oh, and hugs of course !!! Lots of hugs !!

Haha, Esther, that was a really funny story. The saying that guys thinks about sex every 5 seconds really fits your relative very well. Any situation provides an occasion to talk about sex XD I don't know the relationship with your friend and your husband that well, but maybe they are very casual about it. I don't think he meant to discriminate you in any way. Your reply just caused him to realise that it was inappropriate what he was doing. Inappropriate for most people who are actually finding porn 'taboo', and he was immediately assuming that you belong to that group. So don't take it too personally On top of that, I have to defend your friend, because he didn't make any sexist remark at all? - or am i mistaken? I am not trying to accuse you of anything, but this reminds me of what some feminists do whenever they feel disadvantaged, they blame male chauvinism >_< Or for example what happens here in the Bijlmer, whenever a black/ 'coloured' person gets into trouble with the government, for example the police, they start calling out that's "racist!": they were caught because they are 'black'.

@maskelle, Oh that's great, I'm so happy for you that you found a nice job in Germany Have fun!

Yes, i'm awaiting the next meeting too! Can't wait to see you all again

Oh about the computers thing... Well as you know I'm asian, everyone always assume that I'm a computer expert . But I always refer them to my sister haha. She studied IT XD She was one of the two girls out of a class of 20