Loure: Refer to the Yaoi Chat section where IIR is...
gokunaruto: Actually it isn't licensed... only the manga is, but we just take the anime link out as told.
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Loure: Refer to the Yaoi Chat section where IIR is...
gokunaruto: Actually it isn't licensed... only the manga is, but we just take the anime link out as told.
Thanks for the notice. ^^
thnx for the post
but nooooooooo.....whhhhyyyyyy~~~~~?????!!!!!
ToT TAT
thanks 4 the news^^
You have to be careful....what you have subbed is already all over the net, like VEOH.com or youtube. I'm surprised they don't get angry and end the site completely...you have to be careful aarin. Please we don't want this wonderful place to end!!:cry:
:sic:Sadness... I wanted it so bad too.
IIR?? awww...:cries:
but looking forward for the 2nd ova :onegai:
Thanks for the notice.
I'M SHOCK T^T
Thanks you for the notice ;')
Thanks for the notice
This is why i cant find the Gravitation TT^TT
so sadddd
Oh no.. Thanks for the notice T_T
really shock..
thanks for the information. but will irokoi have a 3rd episode?
awww i really like gravitation though :(
thanks for the warning. ^^
Where can I find a full, updated list of animes we're not allowed to share?
The full list of unallowed anime are listed in the first post.
The post will only be updated if there are additional anime that is/are not allowed.
I think we're in the same boat for slightly different reasons. I'm in the US and I have a region free player (shh..secret) which I got several years ago (all it really is is a normal DVD player that had the firm ware inside altered to be able to be a 'region free' player. I have a ton of DVDs in the horror genre that are imports or region coded. My problem is--I have the means to play region free discs..BUT .the titles that I want are either extremely hard to get or are flat out--out of print. In the US--we can play discs that have Region Codes of 1 and/or 0---but nothing else. I think Japan is Region 2 as well as Europe/EU...don't remember the others off hand. So, it doesn't really matter is something gets licensed. If it's a title that's obscure or hard to get, either through import or other means, fans in the US will be SOL anyway. :( That's the major reason I'm extremely grateful for Aarin for all the hard work these guys do to be able to provide anime and mangas for us. Believe me, I would love to be able to support the producers of all this awesome stuff and the titles in general but either them are too expensive for me to buy imports or they are just completely hard to get.
Believe me. I hate region codes too. I think their pretty stupid and I honestly don't understand the logic behind them other than they seem to be a piracy deterrent...*chuckle* yeah, right...seeing the number of torrent sties still up and running shows how little effect region coding has.
I don't have an easy solution--only to join in the rant session. :(
It's been my understanding- Copyright applies to the country of origin of the original work. If other countries want a particular media product (a US one for example) the country requesting the license must obtain one from either the producer (production company, let's say) of the original work and/or the distributor of the work with in the country of origin. The country of origin (the producer) will still hold all rights to that work. I think it can get even more confusing, but this was how I have simplified it for me.
I thought the majority of DVD players were now released with no region lock, most of the ones sold in Australia are anyway, and big brand names too, like Panasonic, Sony, and LG (although the companies don't necessarily advertise them as being region free). They also play both PAL and NTSC encoded DVDs (Australia uses PAL). I know this for a fact as I have DVDs from all sorts of regions, both PAL and NTSC, and I've never had one that my current Panasonic, or old LG, player couldn't play.
Most region-locked DVD players can be unlocked with a code entered through your remote control. There are many forums on the internet that list these codes, you'd just have to do a search for your brand and model.
I was just reading though, that DVD players and tvs released in countries that use PAL are capable of playing NTSC disks, however DVD players and tvs released in NTSC countries can't play PAL disks...
With computer DVD players, it will usually tell you when you put a region-locked DVD in, and they allow you 5 times to change the region on the player before it is permanently locked to the last region used. If you can set it to region 0, it will play every region.
Most players sold in North America have always been region-locked, because most Americans don't care and the media companies have way too much power over the US economy. Australia is in a different situation entirely.
As for why things only get released in certain regions, it's because there's a large, arcane existing system of licenses and crap that are designed to allow content publishers to make more money by pricing things differently in different locations (not countries necessarily—frex, in print publishing, it used to be common to sell "first North American rights", encompassing both the US and Canada). If they don't believe there's enough money to be made in a given location, whatever company holds the rights won't license new copies to be produced there. If something produced in Japan doesn't make it to North America, it's because no one over here who was interested in publishing it was willing to pay the copyright owner's asking price.
However, a work created in a country signatory to the Berne convention (which is 98% of all the countries on Earth) is still copyrighted in any other Berne Convention country. If it weren't, all you would have to do to copy a work legally is cross the border to somewhere where the copyright didn't apply. If copyright doesn't apply, then you can copy the work without restrictions—that's what copyright is for.
That's sad! *hug* what if someone download the raw of gravitation and subtitle it? that problem could be solved
I still use a 'delightful' program called DVD Decrypter which pretty much strips any disk of its region code. So once I do that, I can rip the disk, take that file, run it through another program to compress it so I can convert to a format size I can either use on my computer or burn the resulting file to a blank DVD so I can play it on my tv's DVD player. I've built my current DVD collection this way. And since it's only for myself I'm not breaking the law...I'd have to distribute the resulting file.
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That's sad! *hug* what if someone download the raw of gravitation and subtitle it? that problem could be solved[/quote]
If you plan to only keep it for your own personal use, that's not a problem or shouldn't present a problem. However, because this series is under license now if you try to distribute the sub you did, you'd be breaking the law, i.e., infringing copyright.
that's awful :(
thanks for the news. :)
I have the Gravitation DVD box but the first cd stopped working and i'm going to cry now T_T
Noooo Junjou! I can't even buy this dvd in England and internet is expensive on pay as you go!
Regarding Soukyuu no Fafner. I know that the Dead Aggressor and Heaven and Earth, both have been licensed by funimation, but will this still apply to the new season 2: Exodus? or just no Fafner period regardless of license?
> i've read the text of the law (my country's laws) and it's specifically mentioned - "usage of a product made / bought by contract to be distributed" is protected... does it mean it's ok for me to have fansubs of unlicensed (internally) anime?>
By protected this means protected under the copyright laws of the country of origin of the work in question. This is where the "letter of the law" gets a little muddy and where there really needs to be some reform, especially here in the States. In my country, under the current law, there is a provision called the Fair Use Doctrine and this was put in place as a means for educators, artists, librarians to use copyright work within the realm of teaching, criticism, or to create derivative works. Basically, you can have fan subs of works that have not been licensed in your country because just like fan translations they would fall under "fair use", and translations are considered to be derivative works. You can share these things as long as you are not making a profit from them. And that's what I think the commercial companies are concerned about overall. Fan-subs and fan-translators fall within the gray area of Copyright law. I benefited from them the same way I've benefited from bootleg VHS tapes way back when. I'm a child of the old school Gray Market/mail catalog/convention dealer room days. The vast majority of my anime collection was built on bootlegged VHS tapes/copied Japanese laserdiscs. This was an era that hadn't seen internet and the "glory of bitTorrent"
In terms of distribution licensing for foreign works, I'm only recently getting around to learning about this. Though I'm sketchy how this works within video, though I'm sure it's similar, but in terms of manga, the distribution licensing is using by title and one format only. So if I'm a big publishing and I wanted to acquire rights to a really hot title in Japan, it'll be up to the legal department of my company to take to the foreign company who owned the rights and see what agreement can be reached. Using the rights are obtained for one format, usually paper. If my company wanted to make it available in ebook format, then my company may need to negotiate for separate license for that format. I don't know how long these licenses last for. It depends. But once a company in a country/region outside the country of the work's origin picks up distribution rights, other regions have only two choices: get the product from the one who has distribution rights or wait it out. Not sure how many licenses a distributor is able to get at any one time, but I know that it's expensive and takes a lot of time to obtain them. Because of the high dollar amount involved, most distributors/publishers don't want to take chances with niche product. They want to go with a title that's popular and in demand.
>fansubbing aside, once US gets a license, the rest of the world pretty much waits for it, even if there's not going to be a distribution / accessible source for that title, in another countries. strangely, other-than-english-fansubs go on with no problems.
fansubbers (i assume you know more than a lot of us about this): is there some international law that protects US licenses, or UK licenses, or UE licenses and whatever licenses, against use in countries they don't geographically/politically cover?!
Yes. It's called the Berne Convention (WIPO Treaty...don't remember what the letters stand for off the top of my head) but the Berne Convention contains within it's language sections dealing with copyright law and all those issues pertaining to those laws.
Thank for the info, a litlle sad some works are not allowed to share here , but I understand it :(
Interesting , i gonna looking for the program "DVD Decrypter", thanks
Interesting information, now I know a litlle more about this item
Thank you all for this interesting information. I've been wondering to what extent is copyright covered, and also about the regions - although the latter was pretty easy to figure out... >.<
Looking for a place to make my intro to the commo after read this.
:) My first day ^^
You can introduce yourself in this thread.